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  1. Ha! Jerry Brown was governor from 1974 to 1982 when prop 13 passed (78). You should thank him for prop 13. I think he’s living on a farm north of Sacramento.
  2. I have no idea, I don’t speak SA. Someone else help.
  3. New topic? Or agreeing that a governor controlling a business owner’s ability to do their own thing is wrong? Not understanding whether you agree that control is control, regardless of whether it is a dem or a publican doing it. Oh, the hypocrisy.
  4. If a governor does not allow a business owner to require masks or vaccination for customers, and proposes fines or penalties if they do, coercing the business owner? Yes. Is the choice being taken away from the business owner? Yes. Fuck that commie bullshit. Copied from above “By your extremely simplistic and pedantic logic if I put a gun to your head and say "do this" you still made the choice. Threatening excessive punishment to achieve compliance but claiming you gave them "a choice" is not something the GOOD GUYS DO, that is what petty tyrants do.” And, “ Even under the law "duress" is recognized as not allowing for a choice to be made.” And, “Stop trying to rationalize your willingness to allow for petty tyrants to control other people just because you happen to agree with them.” And, “WRONG IS STILL WRONG IF EVERYONE IS DOING IT. RIGHT IS STILL RIGHT IF NO ONE IS DOING IT.” Not copied from above. What happened to the business owner’s individual choice? What is the difference between this commie bullshit and the other commie bullshit? One government controlling a person’s actions is another person’s commie bullshit.
  5. Yes - A likely suspect, but maybe called the Cortina Perana in SA.
  6. Not a 510 (vent windows), what is it?
  7. Nope - just the ability to accept that when a scientist is confronted with a new experience, like COVID, understand all of the following: 1) the scientist has to think about something, 2) take a guess as to what might work or what might be happening, 3) tell the public what they think, 4) go determine whether what they said is actually what was happening, 5) understand that the first 4 items were based on a reasoned guess based on training and experience, 6) also understand that the scientist’s reasoned guess could have been flawed and require adjustment based on what they did in item 4. If you don’t have that ability to accept that things get better through study, then you’ll end up calling a scientist a liar because they tested and adjusted what they said at the start, and I’ll understand that you have an inflexible mind.
  8. Some folks have flexible minds and can accept that things change and might be different in the future than what is currently being reported/said. Others do not have flexible minds. I suppose that I misused what you wrote. You indicated that there would be a different reaction from folks if the goal of vaccination was eradication. Of course, but that’s a little silly, as eradication was not proposed as a possible outcome by anyone.
  9. We are using two different definitions of force. One of physical force versus pressure. Our “government” and employers are using pressure or effort force, while you are likening it to being something more. If vaccines and masks are not working, why does California have a lower infection rate? Eradication is kind of a dream that you concocted - don’t think anyone anywhere has proposed that vaccines were intended to eradicate. If you respond that you can’t trust what is being reported, I’ll be forced to ignore you.
  10. And was this a kit or homemade. If a kit, details would be great.
  11. Now you make a valid point, instead of the “No, I’m not” ( yes you are) type of argument. But, still, no change in my rethink. Part of my argument was that we live under laws in society. Some are easy to comply with, while others are not. But we all live under those laws. Yes, others make those laws, but everyone in that society lives under them. Some laws have harsh penalties, like if you were to rape your neighbor; and others have less harsh penalties, like if you were to vote twice in an election. With each law, regulation, policy, you have to make a choice every day with each and every law. Do I do this or do that. Somehow trying to raise this decision to be more morally repugnant than another is what? If he and you are so incensed by this type of behavior by those who are making those decisions, then get involved and support someone who can win an election and make different laws and decisions that are more to your liking. Right now, you have to live with the choices that exist now. So, in this case the penalty for not getting the vaccine is somewhere in between those two prior examples. He can get the vaccine, or he can lose his job. He could also move to one of those two states where the governors have put penalties in place where they can keep schools from vaccinating or masking kids, and are trying their best to blunt any attempt for vaccine mandates. Otherwise, he’s living in a place where he gets no such consideration, and he has to make a very tough choice. I’m kind of surprised that there are so many people who make impassioned arguments about things and decisions like this, appear to make it into a life or death choice - are faced with a less than life or death choice like moving to a state where their choices are much easier on their morals and conscience, yet want society to bend to their impassioned wants. Get the vaccine or don’t - it is a choice.
  12. Now that is such a cogent argument, I’ll have to rethink mine - nah.
  13. This is a false argument. If you don’t want the vaccine, don’t get it. If you don’t want to have your kid get it, don’t. It is a choice that you have and can make. In civilized society, we live under laws made by other people. That has been true for some time. Some laws we like, some we don’t. Home school is a valid option. Get another job, work for yourself, or go be homeless. Nobody (yet) is coming to your residence with a gun to shoot you if you don’t get the shot. Don't conflate getting a vaccine to killing the people who get it - as though there is no choice involved. If you have such strong beliefs, then be true to them and don’t get the vaccine. Go live in the wilderness somewhere where they will never find you. There is no force, there is no gun, so nobody is killing or hurting anyone by force - it is a choice. Make it.
  14. They are saying get ready for much higher natural gas prices this winter too.
  15. You seem to think I think fracking has some affect on oil prices, when I do not. I was debunking someone else’s claim that the prez n his halting of fracking has caused oil prices to go up. Are you stuck on it being 84 years versus 70?
  16. First you’d have have to jump the hurdle that fracking is about oil n not natural gas. I was corrected by another poster that oil by fracking has only been about 7 B barrels of oil in 70 years or something like that (no source provided for that statement - but ok). Then you’d have to jump over the hurdle of the prez actually having made a policy that limited fracking n caused oil prices to jump. Perhaps I missed that policy in my daily reading. I’m sorry you had to live in Utah, my condolences. I wrote nothing about being against fracking n don’t need the moral high ground. The point by person who started thread was the prez was responsible for higher gas prices n gave three reasons why. I attempted to show those reasons were false arguments. We seem to agree that supply n demand determines gas prices more than other tings. I blamed it on producers (oil price not high enough to support more production (prolly due to competition)) n traders (making money where they will).
  17. Fracking is also for oil - from the ever reliable Wikipedia:
  18. That is great news! I suppose I’m watching the wrong news feed. I suppose I should take back what I wrote to show a source two tings n now ask for proof o three.
  19. I know who said that…. Not sure you should believe everything you hear on face place, I hear they will spread anything.
  20. Sure, I’ll forgive. For those of us who don’t follow Ratsun as a main news source, this was and is common knowledge. Oh wait a minut, you were asking me for my source - and not the numbskull who posted that the prez shut down keystone (true dat), stopped drill permits, and stopped fracking. Heres a not true story you’ll never read - “Real estate in all those fracking states (not a slight) has collapsed, house prices are down 85% from last year, all because all the oily covered young men who used to frack with each other no longer do (break my back mountain reference) because the prez has shut down fracking.” Who knew the prez would be against oily young mens - I thought he was a true liberal. See? There was never that story in any news feed, because it did not happen. That’s what they call common sense and mostly common knowledge. Ask that numbskull who posted those three truths for his references and you’ll get nothing, except for the fracking part, which I already agreed was true and correct and he wasn’t crazy about that.
  21. But - how many of the facts are not fake news? I count one. He stopped keystone. For the other two, stopping fracking is bullshit- he did not do that; and for halting drilling permits, maybe partly true up in the Arctic NWR (but that is a universal black n white statement n he didn’t stop all drilling permits so mostly fake). Last fact - whose oil was running through keystone? You got it - Canadia? So that was not going to be US oil. Was keystone oil going going to be refined in US? No, it weren’t - it were going outside US for that. It was just gonna flow through the US. Go figure. Doing those three things would cause prices to be higher in US.
  22. Gas is $2.81 in Alabama today. I’m lucky to get it for $4.25 at the cheap place. Thats $1.44 more in CA. Yes, could be operating costs.
  23. I’d guess that higher prices would cause folks who don’t have excess money to drive less. So less driving away from the coast, prolly not much change on the coast for the richies. What I find curious is, yes, gas prices in CA are f’n high, partly due to state taxes and because CA has a special gas blend which limits our production, but I think it is also caused by higher incomes in CA. Gas prices in southern states (and prolly ND SD, etc.) are at least a dollar cheaper than in CA. It can’t be that much cheaper to produce and transport (we have some production here in CA). I blame higher wages, including higher minimum wage that allows CA folks to pay more.
  24. The president can have a short term effect on the price of oil by releasing some of our strategic petroleum reserves, which is 714 billion barrels. US uses about 6.66 billion barrels a day, so that’s about 100 days of reserves. If he releases oil, the price will go down - it puts a little foam in the market. Usually the threat of releasing oil from the reserves will cause prices to go down by OPEC not actually decreasing production. But it is temporary. Long-term, the president can make policy through legislation, to perhaps raise the gas tax, and cause folks to use less oil, which lowers the actual price of the oil, but the higher taxes will cause you to not see a lower price at the pump. Long-term less use will lower prices. Taxes never go down. The president could also create a policy to encourage electric cars, which use no or less oil, which is probably where we are headed, which will also lower demand and the price of oil.
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